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Policy Violation - Oh, VERY funny!



UPDATE May 14th:
Very, very funny. Another one of my deviations got deleted, this one showing Haruka hugging topless Michiru, and you couldn't even SEE anything, Haruka was covering Michi's breasts. But yes, yes, they are minors in the series. *rolls eyes*

Oh, and guess what? My ticket submitted to the HelpDesk on May 7th still hasn't even been assigned to a HD operator. Though even when it does, do you think I am all that optimistic that I am going to get a proper, non-default answer which took into consideration all our arguments? Nope, I don't, really.

UPDATE May 7th:
Still no reply for me. :iconelianthos80: did get a reply, but it only referred back to the FAQ and the rules, which we have all seen already. But our actual questions and arguments never got addressed.
Oh, and I just saw that my ticket (inquiry) on the matter was marked as SOLVED by the mod who replied the first time, AFTER I sent another reply to the same ticket with a new question. That's plain RUDE.

This is my new inquiry (I know my tone wasn't so kind in this one, but can you blame me?):

"Dear HelpDesk Staff Member(s),

this is my second inquiry regarding the matter.

Not so long ago, some of my Sailor Moon fanart got deleted due to featuring "Underage Erotica". I sent an inquiry about why this happened. and was kindly linked to the (new) rule which forbids us to make the characters older than they were in the series/manga. So far, so good.

Only, I sent another reply to that same inquiry, asking specifically about Sailor Moon - in the manga, we see the characters which I depicted in my removed deviations as adults (over 18) at the end of the manga. We see the main characters getting married. Therefore, they are established as characters who were once teens, but also grew up.
Still, my pieces were removed with the explanation that the characters depicted had been established as underage.

This second inquiry of mine got simply ignored, and it was marked as SOLVED by the mod who dealt with it, even though I personally don't feel that no reply at all answered my question.

Our list of arguments as to why this rule should not apply to Sailor Moon has been kindly explained by Elianthos80 (whose inquiries also remained either unanswered, or not properly answered) here: news.deviantart.com/article/11… and here: elianthos80.deviantart.com/jou…

As someone who pays for a group subscription and also for my account's sub when I don't get it as a gift from someone else or a contest, I feel that I deserve my questions to at least be properly answered, and not just ignored. Good customer service and such.

I hope this inquiry will follow in a proper explanation on:
1) why our previous inquiries got so kindly ignored
2) why our arguments aren't taken into consideration
3) why the rule applies to Sailor Moon even though the characters were obviously adult at one point in the manga (and this wasn't a flashback or fast forward)

I thank you for your time."

I am going to send another inquiry. Just because I feel that our financing of this place also deserves proper answers to our questions.

UPDATE April 28th:
Five whole days have passed since my reply to the HelpDesk, and still I got no reply back. I wonder if they will bother to reply at all. If not, I'll just send a new inquiry.

NEW UPDATE April 22nd:
Just got a reply. For easier understanding, this is what I wrote to them:
"Hello,

recently a few of my Sailor Moon-related fanarts were removed, with an explanation of it being "Underage Erotica". One of the images depicted the older characters with nipples drawn, and the other depicted one character, also meant to be over 18, in Barbie-doll style nudity (no nipples or explicit depiction of genitalia).

I was explained by some other artists that some new(er) rule on dA doesn't allow making characters older than they were in the series.

If this is the case, I guess I can understand the first one (with drawn nipples) being removed.

However, in the last chapter Sailor Moon manga, the main character (who was depicted in the second image) was already 18, and mild (Barbie-doll style) nudity was present in both anime and manga. Some of the scenes from the original anime and manga actually served as inspiration for that second image that got removed.

So for this reason I am curious as to why I am not allowed to draw and post something that was a part of the actual series, especially since the character was 18 (or older) at the end of the manga?

I am sorry if I fail to understand the rules, but that is why I am asking for clarification, so as to not break the rules again.

I will be very grateful if you can explain how this works.

Thank you very much for your time.

I wish you a very nice day. "

This was the reply I got today:

"Our apologies for the delay!
      Thank you for contacting deviantART, I will be assisting you with your support ticket.

      I've checked the records associated with the deleted pieces and I can see that the reason they were deleted was due to the fact that the characters depicted come from an established series and in that series they are primarily portrayed as being under the age of eighteen(18).

      Our rules prohibit established underage characters from being depicted in any sort of nude, erotic, or sexual manner and all instances of these depictions are removed immediately as they come to the attention of the staff.
      You can find more information on our restrictions for the use of these characters at the FAQ located here; help.deviantart.com/248/

      If you have any questions please let me know. "

So basically I feel my question about the fact that Usagi was 18 at the end of the manga was simply ignored, so now I sent a reply again:
"   Hi,

      as I stated in my original inquiry, I understand that one is not allowed to make the characters older and nude.

      However, as I also stated, the character depicted in the Barbie-doll style featuring piece was 18 at the end of the manga (which is adult in Europe, where I come from), and such Barbie-doll style nudity is present all over the Sailor Moon manga and anime.

      So I fail to see how this falls under the mentioned rule.

      I am sorry if I fail to see the point, and I know I am being a nag, but I just don't see how that particular piece was against the mentioned rule.

      Thank you. "

So we shall see whether I get a reply on this exact question soon.


UPDATE April 22nd:
It's been 5 days, and still no reply from the HelpDesk. According to their own note, they should reply within 72 hours. But oh well, I guess I will give them a few more days. If I don't get a reply then, I will resend the very same inquiry again. And if I then get absolutely no reply, then well - I guess I know how important dA's members are to its staff. And I hope that I am wrong here and that they actually do care.

On another note, thanks to the recommendation of :iconunconventionalsenshi: I have decided to join another site, which is dedicated to anime erotic art. I like erotic art but haven't drawn much of it before, but taken into consideration all the stupid things that happened in my private life and all the drama over Barbie-doll-style nudity here on dA, I decided to draw some actual erotic art.

And you know what? It is extremely relaxing. Perverted sometimes, yes. Like I care.

Anyways, due to all the kiddies out there I am not allowed to give links to the site or my gallery here in public, but anyone interested may note me. NOTE: You have to be over 18, otherwise you won't get the link from me.

Oh, and I haven't uploaded any works there YET, but I will do so within the next few weeks.

I need to do something about this depression inside me.

UPDATE:
Because I just don't understand this new rule, I decided to contact the HelpDesk about it after all. I explained that I don't understand why my Barbie-doll nudity-depicting image was removed, especially since Usagi was actually 18 at the end of the manga.

I'll let you know if I get a reply.

...
Some of my SM fanart featuring mild nudity got removed for depicting "Underage Erotica"?!

Oh come on, I always make the characters in the images look at least 18 or older! I NEVER, EVER depict minors!

Plus, it was BARBIE DOLL STYLE nudity, which is present both in the actual anime as well as manga!!!!!

Thank you to the person who reported it. Get yourself a life.



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:iconinkscribble:
inkscribble Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
But they don't really actually have one, do they? I mean, they're 16-17 for one season, and 18-19 for another...it's not like Usagi, who appears at 18 or 19 for a mini chapter at the end...they're more sort of half and half, no? So doesn't that mean that you could just as well say that their average age is 18? Or does Super weigh more because they appear more frequently in it or something? Or perhaps those official profiles from Super or whatnot saying their 16 has weight or something?
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silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 15, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Apparently, most of the time they are minors (since Usagi is only 18 at the evry end of the manga), so that is what counts. Even though she was established as a chara who can grow up.
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:iconpink-gizzy:
pink-gizzy Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
Chibiusa is 902 years old. ;)
I fought this fight because of SM-PinUps, too and lost. Prudery and being uptight won.
Just ignore all this stuff.
It doesn´t count that you can see them naked without nipples in the manga and anime, there is a picture of a topless Usagi in an official artbook, too. It doesn`t count ... No sex or being naked for characters of a kids series. The mature tag doesn`t help, too. The little prudes want to be upset. -__-
Can you send me the link via note please?
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
The link to the other place where I am now, you mean?
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:iconpink-gizzy:
pink-gizzy Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes. :)
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:iconinkscribble:
inkscribble Featured By Owner May 15, 2010
Aaaah, I see! Because they're possibly 17 in the SuperS manga arc and they appear more frequently as 16 or 17 year olds in Super. Got it.

Yeah. I DEFINITELY think that's overthinking things. Oy. Poor you!
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 15, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
*shrugs*
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:iconsugar-senshi:
Sugar-Senshi Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
What?! ... *sigh*

[link] I wonder how long this will last...DX
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:iconmiss-miyamoto:
Miss-Miyamoto Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
we need a new place to be don't we >.>
and who the hell keeps reporting you?!
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
No idea.
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:iconmiss-miyamoto:
Miss-Miyamoto Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
*hugs*
I lovers you darling :heart:
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:iconpaperiz:
PaperIz Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
UGGGHH!just keep fighting it, buddy!
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KonekoTsukino Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
Wow...just wow. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's like someone is targeting you! Your art was not at all scandalous! It was a beautiful, romantic piece. Honestly, this is all getting way too ridiculous. People just need to grow up and leave the beautiful art alone. I agree with the comment that it may perhaps be a homophobic attack...so lame.
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isisblaze Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
What really bothers me is that tasteful nudity of these characters isn't okay when apparently bondage over clothes is fine. (I've seen a few of the sailor scouts, and a few pokemon girls; misty, may, etc in bondage over clothes) To me bondage is much more suggestive and much worse then barbie doll nudity or suggested nudity >.>.
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silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I do keep claiming that there are problems with that new rule. *le sigh*
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:iconsakkysa:
sakkysa Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You should fight it and say she was wearing a skin colored bodysuit :P
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
lol Like that would do any good.
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:iconsakkysa:
sakkysa Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i know T___T
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Nykaruh Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
oh boy.... what's this? witch hunt????
so sorry to read that.... :no:
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
*shrugs*
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:iconnykaruh:
Nykaruh Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
I hope u do get a proper response.... *hugs*
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KoriMichele Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
This is just plain ridiculous.
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:iconneko-chiba:
Neko-Chiba Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
I've seen worse things (not saying its bad!!) of underage art still on DA.
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
It only gets removed if it gets reported.
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:iconneko-chiba:
Neko-Chiba Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
True, but why report yours and not the other things?
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Other artists had their works removed too, it seems almost like a witch hunt, actually.
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Neko-Chiba Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
That's just silly...
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TanithLipsky Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
sigh`... DA and it's stupid rule...
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
*shrugs*
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SaturnBunny89 Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
Oh Sweet Ever Lovin... >_<

So wait, they can't be topless/nude at all but scantily clad is ok? Just wondering... if that's the case then maybe we should all be drawing them with as little clothing as possible! *JK*
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
They aren't allowed to be nude at all.
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:iconelianthos80:
elianthos80 Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
DA rules comparison (photos vs 2D art and 2D art vs fanart) here: [link]

No comment, I already did a longa** article on the subject after talking with Silver-Eyes among other people =_=;;
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:iconunconventionalsenshi:
you're right, that's fuckin hillarious :|
Btw, isn't that a nude loli in the pond: [link]
However, no action can be taken, cuz I lack proof it's a loli. Well, how can I provide a fuckin proof if it's an imaginary loli not coming from any anime but still looks like fuckin loli to me :|
And lolis shouldn't be naked on dA
Normal adult looking females should.
Even if Naoko sais they're 5 yrs old, If they look adult, where's the fucking pedophilia idiots>?

I'm just so fed up with DA and their policy :no:
Totally feel ur pain :/

It also seems that some SM-fandom hater has decided to go on a reporting spree again :|
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:iconelianthos80:
elianthos80 Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
I agree on the SM hater (and homophobe. Wonder why it's mostly Huru&Mich pics the target) spree. This is fishy :/
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:iconunconventionalsenshi:
:| *nods* Maybe even a lesbian-hater in general or sth :shrug:
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Apparently, there is some rule that actually allows some sort of child/loli nudity on dA if they are original charas and such. You'd have to ask :iconelianthos80:, they know more about it.

By the way, did you get my e-mail yesterday? :3
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:iconunconventionalsenshi:
ehm, nopes I check my mail like once in a few days ;p I'll go check in a min :aww:
Btw, does that mean I can show Ninako nude ?? O.o (*evilplan mode on*)
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silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
lol You'd have to check with :iconelianthos80:, but I think so.
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:iconunconventionalsenshi:
^^
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
So, anything in your mail?
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:iconunconventionalsenshi:
OMG, I've just checked it!!! :love:
So great!!! Thanks a lot Dear :hug:
Definately sexy pic and shading is stunning :dance:
Totally awesome job :clap: :heart:
:hug:
Hope it will go on HF too :D
:aww:

yea, I'm glad you didn't pick Ninako ;p I'd feel as if... someone took her virginity away that way :giggle: ^^ (I intend to do it but probably on manga pages and probably in many, many pages ahead ^^;)
Thanks again for sending me this awesomeness :heart:
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silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Not a problem, hee hee. I did post it on HF, but it is still awaiting approval. ^^; I wonder when I will get permission to upload without having to wait for approval first... *sigh*
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LadyUsagi Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
.. lolis is allowed? But two adults arent allowed to be topless and not show anything? wtf
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elianthos80 Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
DA rules comparison (photos vs 2D art and 2D art vs fanart) here: [link]
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:iconsilver-eyes-blue:
silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
*shrugs*
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LadyUsagi Featured By Owner May 13, 2010
... you're kidding???? That was a beautiful picture!! It was full of romance, with a hint of sexuality.. it wasn't dirty or overly erotic, and I didn't even KNOW they were under age.. I thought they were over 18. This is ridiculous...
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silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
It doesn't matter how I depict them, the only thing that matters to dA is that they were established as minors.
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LadyUsagi Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
yeah I read the rules properly.. they're going to be deleting A LOT of fan art, everyone likes to draw their fav anime character grown up (since most are about 16). It's not some sneaky way for pervs to draw underage girls. :( ah wells.
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silver-eyes-blue Featured By Owner May 15, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
You may draw them grown up. Only they mustn't be naked, topless or something like that.
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elianthos80 Featured By Owner May 10, 2010
Also: [link] Inconsistent, duble standard-y and all around bad PR move =_= . The more I reflect on the implications, the more pissed I get, admittedly.
I'll be sending more tickets and notes in a few days , like you.
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